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Jeannines comments were spot on. Body found amid rubble of Sunday's major fire in Gatlinburg Once again the County and the City is sitting around twiddling their thumbs and doing nothing just like they did when the fire started and they could have contained it. China Bazaar, Pucker's Sports Grill, Gifts of . Oddly, some folks that posted photos of the fire of the 23rd in its early stages have either pulled the blogs or the material cannot be accessed. There were and continue to be many deaths and fires that occurred in those western areas, and with those IMT expert Teams, that taught hard lessons, and enabled those people to gain experience and become the so called experts in the field. Someone must have started the fire. It certainly should be addressed, by We, the People. (Credit: Tom Williams), Two people in custody after police chase, manhunt near Warrior & Hayden, Protest held in memory of Glenn Foster Junior, Fire department K-9 dies during search and rescue mission. I wish some barracuda Attorney would take this on and represent the property owners in a lawsuit to try to recuperate some of our losses, any takers? The three places the fire was stated to have been seem to line up pretty straight on the map. Being asleep at the wheel is no excuse. Damage was estimated at. For the most part, the issues are with the Upper Brass. Most of us feel there was negligence but sorting it all out is not something I know how to do. Earlier on Tuesday, media reported that a man was arrested for setting three fires that spread into a 300-acre fire in. I am hopeful that there are enough folks taking note of and keeping a watchful eye out for this situation, so that lies and cover-up will be vetted. Because we were heading home to Ohio early Tuesday morning, we packed our suitcases and put them in the car. I know that because of my experience, my training, my ongoing learning and situational awareness of a host of related and seemingly unrelated knowledge. Also, for the last several decades, NPS policies have allowed these excessive fuels to build. An in depth investigation should be launched and the (ir)responsible parties identified. Four downtown Gatlinburg businesses are picking up the pieces, after a fire Sunday morning destroyed their building. These fires were allowed to cook with little or no suppression action. Hopefully all of those affected will be able to begin again. I dont know details as to the trail. During the investigation, fire officials interviewed a cleaner of Loco Burro who saw a person matching Bates description the morning of the fire. Were these simply copy cat arsonists, arsonists with the most ridiculous stories to offer for why they lit these fires, or were they just cover-ups for something more sinister? Why hasnt the NPS mentioned this first fire of the 14th? It is likely that spotting did keep the ground fire spreading into the areas where the homes were, and certainly on the southern edge of town it was the primary ignition source, but I am still skeptical that the homes to the north of town were ignited that way. Even the courts of law no longer put as heavy weight on personal testimony, as so much has been proven to so easily be manipulated and affected by a host of factors. Good incident managers welcome open discussion and critique to learn and improve for future incidents. Once again: the questions remain unanswered. Thanks! The cause of the fire remains under investigation by the GFD, Gatlinburg Police Department, and the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. A temporary evacuation refuge with limited services is located at Max Hasse Community Park . As I reflect on the comments regarding this fire, the articles and analysis, as well as any instance of leadership, decision-making and accountability, I have to askHow is it that one gets experience? All those who have experience from saythe wildfires out west, were not born with it. Emergency management should have been all over this from the very beginning. Anyone who has toured the hillsides where most of the homes that were destroyed would know immediately how difficult evacuations would be. Copyright 2022 WVLT. The high winds were forecasted on the 25th, 2016. Im sorry but that initial fire management at the outset was atrocious. But outright blame? Though it will never be heard in our courts today, dont think the Almighty isnt going to bring it to Light; for human death was involved and the facts were dodged plan and simple. level, in advance of this disaster had occured. There were emergency vehicles blocking Motor Nature Trail. Local folks here who have been involved with Park issues have an old saying about the NPS and their mismanagement of historic structures. Over 3000 wildfires received Initial Attack in November in the southern Appalachians, many of which were still very active when Chimney Tops 2 started. Just looking at media coverage on the evacuation order public messaging snafu points out that this fire will provide many lessons learned for future fire managers. Good points about differentiating between prescribed fire and the wildfire. Stanton wanted to go but I was afraid to for several reasons. Why is forestry both national and state not working more collaboratively with citizens and local fire departments to improve awareness and preparation? It was about this time that we noticed the wind beginning to get stronger. Watch the pride and ego firefighters: youll never outmatch Gods elements. First rule of any structure fire or wildfire. How far from the Chimney Tops, as the crow flies, were these pictures taken? The multiple chain of events you refer to is also simple, two juvenile delinquents set the fire, the park service knew it existed and they did absolutely nothing to put it out. But when it's close to home, the sadness and concern of those affected is ten-fold in the worry department. Just a reminder to all, wildfires knows no boundaries, political beliefs, policy or management decisions just simple laws of physics and science from S-190: Basic Fire Behavior fuels, weather, topography and an ignition source plus extreme, well documented, long term drought conditions equals a recipe for conflagration, death and destruction. But those heroes should have never been in that situation in the first place. Too often the only voice that is heard in our society is money and the more one has the more they are heard. They had their moment in history and did not rise to it. Virtually no one knows they have it and THEY DID NOT USE IT. I appreciate that fine quality of writing that expresses your thoughts in an easy to read yet structured style that makes sense. They learned. What makes one golden and one not? We are emotional beings, we feel and we have the capability to think. night at 9pm when mom said there was evacuation notice on TV. So we can learn by others successes and failures but we must also not hang our hats on them either, because the story is as individual and unique as there are an infinite number of variables. I asked my husband to go outside and hook up the water hose we had disconnected for winter. One thing I have learned is that the news media, especially in todays world is just as skilled and often benefits from pushing their own agendas as well. It appears that the Deputy has contradicted himself here. Anyone can arm chair quarterback incident manager decisions after the smoke clears. WBIR is going to interview me as soon as two weeks from now regarding how I was taken for $120,000 by a crooked contractor that I was hooked up with by a log home firm. wasnt blocked off since Mynatt Park was told to evacuate at 5:17. Fire Tears Through Downtown Gatlinburg (TN) Mall; One Person Killed If they had taken action the day it started instead of now using the excuse of the rough terrain, yeah it is but so is most mountain areas. and last updated 4:48 AM, Apr 05, 2022. You forgot lack of funding to adequately staff the park. This openness which allows for both expression of feeling and diversity of thought and ideas will be what drives our ability to fix the complex issues we are faced with, and to grow as human individuals, groups and nations. Case in point is our European religious history. In my eyes, TEMA should have taken control of the situation and ordered evacuations before sunset. From my back ground in fire, safety and as a fire investigator I see the development of a chain of multiple, unusual and totally unexpected events leading up to final blowup. I believe God was speaking to me early in the day on 28th and I am grateful for the ability He blessed me with to get out of Gatlinburg early.. Thus, private, State, or other agencies get left holding the bag, as it were. The Championship side, who are 19th in the table, said there have been no injuries. Their inter-agency investigation needs to look at the 1st Chimney Tops Fire of the 12/13th to the 17th of November 2016. Many are willing to allow the absolute open permission to some to behave as they will without question, but are unwilling to allow others the same room to learn and grow. Despite that, officials now say that the Gatlinburg fire began in the park and was. On Friday, Gatlinburg city officials released a report detailing the downtown fire on Oct. 9. Im not saying GRSM made the right or wrong decision, there is just a lot more involved then saying they didnt suppress it promptly. One thing Id add: the county is allowing residents that lost their home to use their existing block or poured foundation as long as they have one of their local cemetacious experts test it and approve it. My boys and I do not have images of wildfires that we would have seen had we waited to leave home. Asked if I knew if there were any other people down in that area. View all posts by Bill Gabbert. The report concluded that the fire was an accident; however, officials said the investigation was limited because the building was not structurally sound. A true lackadaisical response. A lady answered phone. My questions are: what were the wind speeds when NPS crews ignited these backfires to protect NPS structures; and if they ignited fire on the 28th when the winds were getting stronger and stronger, would the potential exist for backfire embers to get out of control? Yet, at that very time, citizens were asking city employees and fireman if they should evacuate (well documented in the local news). Until 1 p.m. sustained speeds were 4 to 6 mph with gusts at 12 to 19 mph. Oct. 11, 2022, at 10:27 a.m. 1 Dead in Gatlinburg Fire That Affected Travel to Smokies. For folks afflicted by this tragedy, emotions running high should be expected; and it is understandable for Kelly Morgan to be upset. The big, dead hemlocks are light grey with a circular limb pattern as viewed from the air. In late 2016, wildfires . Our local congressional representative will be the first to confront the Park Service for numerous shortfalls, bias agendas that cater to special interest groups, and a host of other issues to where the NPS serves itself more so than the people. Frederick County, MD tanker explosion leaves 1 dead; Shuts down part of So whether the defendants started the 14th fire or not, a close examination of this Facebook press release indicates the fire apparently started on the 13th; and yet a social media photo post claims the 12th clearly showing a lack of response once again in fire suppression by the NPS. In addition thorough explanations could have been given for the reasons for calling for the Voluntary Evacuation and could have been published. Screenshot from the Knox News video. The deaths in this incident can be attributed to being trapped and forced to shelter in place. Bob headed our way. Instead simply took pictures on their phone, 3. Try to stay neutral I understand; but the NPS has a track record of avoiding accountability. I told him there wasnt when I got there at 5 oclock but I could not even see driveways on the way up. Regarding the Chimney Tops Fire of Nov 14th, 2016, https://www.facebook.com/GreatSmokyMountainsNPS/posts/1236286613095333. These people both the successful along with the ones who erred and experienced failure, courageously risked being vulnerable in order to help others. We, the public, have to be activists for our own safety, the very safety that public officials claim to protect. These are the facts and simple truths that should not be ignored. People who live in forested areas need to be aware of fire danger. But the last one, issued at 7 a.m. EST on Sunday by Eric Holweg, did predict strong winds. While my husband tried to rake the leaves away more than once, they blew right back in. When you have an active, non controlled fire, an area in exceptional drought, late fall vegetative conditions, and southerly winds of 40 to 60 MPH forecasted, you do not need to be a nuclear physicist to realize the potential (probability) that a catastrophic fire event is right at your doorstep. I loved the area, the town, homes, everything. However, their findings could certainly implicate some of the decision makers concerning how things were handled and may lead to a few resignations. We watched local news and weather forecasts. Wednesday, November 23, the day the fire started. It is very hard and slow to navigate through laurel stands and the thick Tennesee Barbed Wire Briar patches. There will be time to consider legal and civil options later . ), lack of knowledge of alternative communication systems (the Motorola area wide emergency radio system installed last year). Alice Hagler, who went missing at Chalet Village, was identified Wednesday night by her son Lyle Wood, who said his mother's body had been found "in the ruins of her home, her life taken by a. Humans lostfire won. I think wildland fire managers should be commended that this fire did not result in a tragic firefighter incident like Yarnell Hills. Why did they wait until Monday to do a voluntary a evacuation or were the city father is involved in the decision not to panic the thousands and thousands of people still there for the Thanksgiving holiday. Then, a few days later they had the full timeline article and info about the NPS not following its own protocols. Now he has the benefit of another 60 to 90 days of another investigation before anything officially or otherwise will be said. She replied, Mrs. Another 2.3 inches accumulated that day by the time it stopped at 7 p.m. Gatlinburg fire: Body found in blaze rubble, cause of fire under After the fact they called in helicopters to dump water on the fire which is what they should have done in the first place and didnt, WHY NOT? The use of smokejumpers could be part of the plan. Cafe 420 and Gifts of Gatlinburg were also destroyed. 10/10/22, 1:56 p.m. Its sad. Report: Gatlinburg fire caused $7 million in damages We watched the news the rest of evening. I can feel for the service providers and the devastated fire victims. The forecasts are supposed to be detailed and customized predictions of the weather at a particular location, or spot, for at least the next two days. The person or people responsible for the fire have not yet been found. You bet you were. Property owners still have the rights to protect their property. Even this article seems to skirt around some of the issues and miss the depth of analysis it needs to effect meaningful change. I began to notice people smoking while driving their vehicles when I would be out and about and they would flick burning embers out windows and sometimes throw cigarettes out windows. Even though they are showing people receiving checks the day they apply, this was not the case for him. Here is a question & answer from Bill interviewing Tom Nichols on Wildfire Today: One of the more common errors in judgment you have seen on fires? By the end of the day on Sunday the fire had burned approximately 35 acres, according to Ms. Schroer and the results from a mapping flight (see the 3-D mapabove). However, by the time a federal judge dropped the charges six months later, some had lost focus on the fire. I responded that the climate is changing, and so are other related situations, and there will be. Hemlocks standout on aerial photos because the limbs grow in a spiral pattern around the tree. The Spur or US 441 runs between Pigeon Forge and Gatlinburg in the Smokies. Unfortunately human lives were lost and hundreds of folks have been displaced. Bob and Stanton snuck around back roads and made it in a few days earlier than most and found what we were fearing. I wonder when NPS actually put out a request for Incident Management Team support. Unfortunately this isnt always the case. The body of a person has been found in the rubble of a fire in downtown Gatlinburg, our ABC affiliate WATE reported Monday. Lets see what reviews done by people with expertise in wildland fire management come up with. Fire crews were dispatched to a structure fire around 6:30. Firefighting resources assigned to the fire include 25 hand crews, 61 engines, 6 helicopters, and 2 dozers, for a total 780 personnel. A lot of chainsawing has been going on. There was a yellow glow in the skies which has always been indicative of severe weather where we came from. GATLINBURG, Tenn. (WVLT) - Four downtown Gatlinburg businesses are picking up the pieces after a fire Sunday morning destroyed their building. Great job on this website, it is very informative and I recommend it to everyone in the business. One or two of those employees fall to their death because they shouldnt have been there in the first place. It was the hottest summer we ever felt. As we reached the Parkway, everything was deserted. Lets say the NPS put a crew on it day one in steep inaccessible terrain as they say it was in. Travelers are urged to avoid the area at this time. Intention is important, even in a court of law, intention ways heavily on the sentencing. We had loaded dog and Abram in car, out of smoke and told them to stay put. I agree with the earlier post that if this fire had been in Southern California or other areas subject to devastating fire if it would have been managed differently. The chain reaction that if un-inhibited can create the perfect storm, block the perfect solutions or that can lead to the ignition of possibility and opportunity. That seems to be confirmation that the fire had crossed 441 early in the day. The fire gutted the entire city block and closed a dozen businesses. The Park Superintendent did not want to risk the lives of NPS fire crews with the Chimney Tops Fire 2; and that is to be respected. Thats exactly what I plan on doing and recording the calls so that if they dont take action they an explain to the public why after getting all of these calls with people pleading for them to take action. The age of information is both eye opening and scary, the potential for manipulation is astounding! Holding the responsible people accountable is the only course of action that honors what was lost. GATLINBURG, Tenn. ( WATE) A building destroyed by fire Sunday in downtown Gatlinburg has been torn down and the investigation into the cause continues. Id just like to ask folks to think about If prior experience of fires in the region may have betrayed fire managers this time. The Gatlinburg Fire Department was dispatched to the 700 block of Parkway in downtown Gatlinburg at 6:39 a.m. on October 9. This area was in the process of being logged prior to the wildfire, (supposedly started by a logging train) of 1925. GALLATIN, Tenn. (WTVF) Wildfires have ravaged Sevier County six years after deadly fires destroyed parts of Gatlinburg. When you see more of them completely charred but living trees seemingly untouched that is a sign of both underground burning and how much water the living trees still possessed. Asked if I knew if there were any other people down in that area.

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