300 ham'r vs 308

#3. You might shoot itty bitty groups with either subsonic or supersonic loads out of a .300 Blackout, but its unlikely youll do it with both. We often hear about the average self-defense scenario, but the truth is every encounter is unique. Bills East Texas ranch is usually packed full of hogs, and a few of them are worthy of putting the round to the test. Tests of the (left to right): Lehigh 110-grain Controlled Chaos, Nosler 125-grain AccuBond and the Hornady 150-grain InterLock RN in dry newspaper indicated all three will penetrate well on pigs. Most game drops at spot of the hit. Not a long range round but Im getting too old for long range stuff anyways. But only when were talking supersonic ammunition. Anyone who has been playing with handloading for 20+ years can see that the Hamr in 30 caliber has a huge advantage. Wilson Combat's 300 HAM'R addresses CQB with Lehigh Defense's Controlled Chaos bullets and 300-yards with hunting bullets from 110 to 150 grains. You obviously have a lot of knowledge and experience I and others could find useful if you aimed it in the right direction. Does The 6mm Creedmoor Super Sniper Hit The Mark? Wilson Combat has always prided itself on accurate weapons, and I know from previous conversations that Bill is, in his words, uninterested in inaccurate guns. Already knowing the 300 Hamr is powerful, it was time to see what groups it could produce at distance, so we spent an afternoon on the 1,200 yard range. . I joke, somewhat. A lot of folks, like me, have used the ballistics of the .30-30 to justify hunting with the 300 Blackout or the 7.6239. I have done 15 twist Ham'r barrels and 8 and even 5 twist Blackout barrels. 125gr Speer TNT #1986 yes a .44 mag is fine for elk within common sense restraints. 125 grain weight; ~2510 fps velocity; ~1750 ft. lbs. 110gr Hornady V-MAX #23010 Me being me, I put together my own HAMR from Wilson Combat brand parts, including barrel and handguard rail. Nope, not built for subs. In my neck of the woods, Marlin 336s are far and away the dominant lever gun. Spend $3,700 on a gun to shoot ammo that you cant find . CCI450 Comparing loads with 125-grain bullets, the HAM'R is 331 fps faster than the .300 Blackout and 131 fps faster than the 7.6239 out of rifles with barrels of equal length. You can hot rod the round a little but it's not as big a difference as some will lead you to believe unless you are talking about a bolt action where you can load out longer than AR mag length. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, Top AR-15 Chamberings: 8 Great Do-It-All Loads, Lessons Learned From a Ballistician | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Preview: Mission First Tactical EXD Rail System | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Hornady's 6 mm ARC | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Review: SIG Sauer MCX Spear-LT | An Official Journal Of The NRA, First Look: Mission First Tactical Multi Mount, Is It Right For You? We have killed deer out to 150 yards without any problems. Not for me. The .300 HAM'R rifles and barrels are available in 16.25-inch, 18-inch and 20-inch lengths with different profiles. I think Wilson will sell about 20 rifles. Bill also sent along some new Lehigh Defense 110-grain Controlled Chaos monolithic hollowpoints designed specifically for the .300 HAMR. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Mag. Thats more than the .44Mag delivers from the muzzle, even in a carbine length barrel. 30-06, .300WM, poor shot placement or miss, that animal isnt done. Max load: 24.8gr H CFEBLK Velocity range 2500 2600FPS, Lehigh 110gr CC #05-308-110-CUSP, 2.245 OAL Wilson had previously introduced his .458 HAMR cartridge for AR-10s a cartridge somewhat more powerful than the .458 SOCOM and had trademarked the name. 300 BLK was made for close quarter suppressed action against people without level VI body armor. You dont say what youre comparing exactly but it looks like 300 HamR vs 308win? At about the turn of the 20th to 21st century, a movement to create better cartridges for the AR-15 platform began. Simple swap. While the Hornady retained only 42 percent of its weight, it was the heaviest bullet so it still penetrated 7 inches. Even the most recoil-sensitive shooters will shoot this gun well. Every whitetail Ive shot has dropped within sight. From a subsonic standpoint, the .300 Blackout is the best offering available in the AR-15 platform. Not all exquisitely accurate cartridges follow the PPC or BR blueprint-profile. If I want an iron sighted rifle for hunting medium to large game it will be a lever action in .30-30 (Win 1894) or .45-70 (Win 1886), but for general purpose use for medium to large game with a scope I would much prefer a bolt action .308 (Win M70), which I much prefer to an AR-10 which has inferior handling characteristics. this makes no sense. I dont think its a claim that the Barnes will shoot a 110gr at 2400FPS. https://i.imgur.com/VVE4MgFl.jpg, so why would you say it took 10 years to come up with this cartridge when its been around for 40 years here. WC 300 HAMR case It was originally called the .30-30AR. If you want to fire a subsonic .30 caliber round from an AR-pattern rifle, the 300 Blackout is infinitely superior. I love the round. In WA a 4+ barrel and not rimfire/.240+ diameter is legal for all big game. In a far more polite way, he replied, Duh, suggesting I read the background information. I take it youve never detail stripped a Winchester 94 then. It just WRECKS whatever it hits. Please be respectful of others. 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Only a faint hint of copper showed along the edges of the lands, certainly not enough to affect accuracy. Bill Wilson shot this boar at 75 yards with a Speer 130-grain Hot-Cor flatnose. I had my camera out and ready to catch it. 300 HAMR is a new proprietary round from Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat. 300 HARM is probably DOA and just another conversation piece for the archive. The .300 HAMR is extremely accurate because the twist rate is optimized to work with a set bullet length and velocity. The .300 HAM'R has a 300 fps velocity and 400 ft-lbs. I see any of these cartridges (6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, 300 Hamr) as capable of killing CXP2 game out to 300 yards. I could hear boars fighting and squealing in the brush even before I got to the blind. Plus generally cheaper mags, barrels, complete guns, loaded ammo. Im also looking for nosler AB 125g. NOTE: The 300 HAMR is designed to use 110-150gr bullets at supersonic velocity and is NOT suitable for heavy bullet sub-sonic use. Velocities were recorded using a Wilson Combat 18 barrel with Labradar in 90-100 degree temperature. +500 at the muzzle buys you a lot of distance, comparatively. The two powders that really worked well turned out to be Hodgdon CFE BLK (designed for the .300 Blackout) and Accurate 1680, with CFE BLK slightly edging out A-1680 in most loads. They have successfully matched the full capability of the venerable .30-30 Winchester with a lightweight AR-15 rifle. It shouldnt be. bolt face. Currently, ammo, brass and dies are available from Wilson Combat. The 300 HAMR is a perfect example of a direct to obsolescence cartridge that you can find. The 300 Hamr cartridge is over 10 years in the making. This 300 HAM'R has better muzzle energy, and high end guns built specifically for it. the round has been standardized and Starline makes the casing for it so you can max the loads listed by WC . 30-30 is effective at short range hunting mostly because of the bullets it uses, which are medium weight for caliber bullets, of very light construction, and most importantly of blunt shape. In fact, it could be argued that the current fascination with subsonic shooting and suppressors was started by the .300 Blackout. It made some waves and still has a following, but, with apologies to Jim Morrison, it just couldnt break on through to the other side. However, about 10 years later another cartridge did. Hands-down this is the round that should have been developed in front of the blackout. 300 hamr check. 150gr Hornady RN IL #3035 @ $29 a hundred & $250 for barrel WOW THATS NOT HIGH , LOOK @ 6ARC BRASS OR GRENDEL BRASS + BARREL!!!!! Full Feature: Anderson Manufacturing Kiger 9C Pro 9mm, Throwback Thursday: All About Bullet Grain. In 2018, Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat announced the .300 Hamr to match or better .30-30 Winchester performance in an AR magazine-length round. Wilson never said it matched 308win, they said its "nearing" 308win velocities and beating 300blk and 7.62x39 easily.. From Wilsons numbers it appears they are spot on with their claims. of energy. Please read the entire post below before replying. Accuracy has been great. I also wrote that although it was a debate for me between the .300 ham'r and .308 for pigs because of .308's ability to stretch out a bit further for field hunts . I was able to snag 18lbs of CFE Blk last week from Powder Valley, and that should be enough for ~5k rounds. with new powders it shoots hornady 123 gr SSTs at 2650 FPS!!! So he chambered an AR15 in the 30 Apache (from the 1970s) and rebranded it as the hammer; Right? The .300 HAM'R will do everything the .30-30 Winchester will do and more, but from an AR-15 platform; and in the Wilson Combat Tactical Hunter, it weighs less, shoots better and holds a lot more ammunition than any .30-30 lever-action rifle ever made. I almost bought/built a .300 BLK upper last year but got distracted. But elk are big. Trijicon Accupoint 3-940 Green Dot Riflescope Mounted and Zeroed I spent most of my time with the Bill Wilson Ranch Rifle. All of the models come with the Wilson Combat Tactical Trigger Unit set at 4lbs. I . Also, some shooters learned the hard way that certain .300 Blackout loads could chamber and fire in a .223 Remington/5.56 NATO rifle with disastrous results. Small case capacity with large diameter bullets is not going to equal great downrange performance. How much is Wilson paying you guys for this piece? Unfortunately, because Wilsons primary motivation for the HAMRs development was for hunting, thats the context the .300 HAMR is most often mentioned in. Our desert tan multi-caliber AR magazine has a unique tube design that ensures superb function between 5.56 NATO, .223, 300 Blackout and 300 HAM'R ammunition. JWT, those rounds sure look like .300 Black, how about a quick and dirty (never mind the thousandths) description why they are not. Shopping with us is absolutely safe - you never have to worry about credit card safety when shopping here Share your latest AR build or photos from the range with #RangeDayFriday for a chance to win a new firearm! However, if you want to shoot through barriers, deliver hard hits, and strike with the most lethal punch you can from an AR-15, at reasonable engagement distances, the HAMR is the answer. We shot the 300 HAM'R 125 GR. WC 300 HAMR case Wilson Combat Published 300 Ham-R Load Data Sept 2020 . Its not what I would want to lay prone behind all day, but its light weight, shoulders solid and very quickly, and establishes a good cheek-stock-weld for me. So same concept as 300 BO, but with more case capacity? The Ham'r doesn't seem capable of doing so in that barrel length. Energy: The 308 is great for bear, moose and elk, but only at reasonable distances, typically inside of 350 yards. Mil-Spec Bolt and Bolt Carrier, MP Inspected, NP3 Start load: 25.5gr A1680 or 26.0gr H CFEBLK Bill also tried the .300 Blackout extensively, finding it no more effective on pigs than the 6.8 SPC, and not nearly as flat-shooting, even with lighter bullets. My furthest runner went 70 yds. I can only find one factory .30-30Win load that outperforms the 300 Hamr, and thats the Hornady 160gr FTX LeveRevolution round. With most other loadings, the 300 Hamr doesnt just match, but exceeds the .30-30s performance. Thus, the cartridge was hatched to compete with the 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, 7.6239 and .300 Blackout, with an eye toward killing wild pigs, thus the nod to ham in the name. But, its best to get magazines engineered for 300 Blackout. I have some pro hunters 125g on the way. It is simply a more efficient cartridge. Its accurate, reliable, and effective. Both the 308 and 300 have good kicks as the 300 and the 308 can boast of a force at least 20ft.lbs. Thats a lot of variety for a round so young in its commercial life. Aiming offhand at 100 yards turned out to be easy, a quality perhaps even more helpful than light weight in a rifle designed for rapid shooting at moving animals. The velocity gains claimed over the 300BLK, and the corresponding energy delivered, were significant enough to justify the caliber. 300 HAM'R RELOADING DATA EFFECTIVE SEPT 15, 2020 AND SUPERCEDES ALL PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED DATA NOTE: All velocities from a 16.25" barrel using a conventional chronograph at 75 degrees F and rounded to the nearest 25fps.Approximately 20fps higher velocity is normally recorded when using a LabRadar and 12fps per inch for other barrel lengths. WC 300 HAMR case Wilson Combat offers the .300 HAM'R chambering in six AR variations with barrel lengths ranging from 11.3 inches (Protector Pistol) to 20 inches (Tactical Hunter). Sierra PH round with a velocity of 2540 fps (18" barrel). Im not a .44 Mag expert, but I would *assume* that .44 load is considered suitable for elk and at least black bear. The vast majority of those builds were purely to see if I would like the caliber. This round lives up to the hype. For most of them, the answer was no. Because its not the same cartridge. so why would you say it took 10 years to come up with this cartridge when its been around for 40 years here??? WC 300 HAMR case 150gr Hornady SST #30303 (for the largest game the cartridge is suitable for) *Weights shown are close approximations. Will stick to .308 and .300BLK, surplus, popularity, and availability win my money. It was also over 100 degrees, only cooling to the mid 80s at night. We want you, our readers, to be able to make informed decisions. Considering this was over thousands of rounds with multiple shooters over multiple days with several different projectiles in 100 degree heat, Id say the rifle passes the reliability test. When it comes to a comparison between the 300 Blackout and the 300 Hamr, there really isnt one.

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